{"comments":{"898107":{"pb_id":"45736","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"898107","comment_id":"898107","member_id":"45736","comment":"Often, headline herald someone has posted some "great" time. . This may mean something someone greatly familiar with the course or the meet. Otherwise the time just does not click. Better service to readers and fans in general might be provided to focus on margin of victory, level of competition and, if a course has been used and not changed for at least 5 years, how the winning time compares to the course or event record. I see top 25 or top 40 or 50 lists with times attached to the runners name. Why?","date_added":"Oct 29th 2013, 9:42pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":191362,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Bsarno1","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45736","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Bsarno1.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1116260"},"897887":{"pb_id":"51677","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"897887","comment_id":"897887","member_id":"51677","comment":"

<\/a>SteveU, on , said:<\/p>

\nYeah, for some reason all the meets in Montana (I think) are 3 miles. Odd. I'm continually surprised how many courses in California are still 3 miles, too.
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\nIllinois, too. (Almost) all 3m, and almost all very flat. In fact, the state meet course at Detweiller is about 2.97. But, the state course is unlikely to change anytime soon, because there is such a long tradition, and there is something to be said for that, too.","date_added":"Oct 29th 2013, 6:48pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":191362,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"ILDistanceFan","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=51677","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/ILDistanceFan.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1272024"},"897855":{"pb_id":"42418","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"897855","comment_id":"897855","member_id":"42418","comment":"Yeah, for some reason all the meets in Montana (I think) are 3 miles. Odd. I'm continually surprised how many courses in California are still 3 miles, too.
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<\/a>Tom Keyes, on , said:<\/p>

\nI would suggest Montana should consider a change to the State Association handbook to reflect 5k and not 3 miles. Just for the sake of standardization . I was completely under the impression that it was a 5 k course. But having just read the MHSA handbook it appears I was wrong in that assumption.
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\nI stand corrected on the Balboa hyperbole I threw out there. Amateurish on my part.
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\nI think we all agree on one thing, Morely's fast. And she is a clear threat to win FL.
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\nI stand corrected on the Balboa hyperbole I threw out there. Amateurish on my part.
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\nI think we all agree on one thing, Morely's fast. And she is a clear threat to win FL.","date_added":"Oct 29th 2013, 4:48am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":191362,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Tom Keyes","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43834","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43834","pb_wally_id":"1109012"},"897584":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"897584","comment_id":"897584","member_id":"43715","comment":"

<\/a>SteveU, on , said:<\/p>

\nFantastic run and I know Makena is very good (and better than ever this fall), but 16:15-20 at Foot Locker would be well beyond "best-ever" there and I think it's too early to be talking about that. If she runs under 16:50 at FL, I would be extremely impressed (and surprised). That 16:35 IS a 3-mile course, too, not 5k.
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\nAgreed; the Montana State Course in Missoula is ~55 seconds faster than Footlocker Nationals @ Balboa. That puts her in line for a 17:30 before any improvement between now and then (plus added competition) - still very good, but a long ways from a 16:20.
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<\/a>Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:<\/p>

\nMillrose program shows her at Liberty in Colorado Springs in February of 1989 which the high school annual confirms. Then the annual has her running 4:23.95 and 4:25.41 for Mead in the spring as you note. She also ran 4:29.41 and 4:31.8 and 2:10.41. Hell of a season and only a soph.
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\nAh, yeah, she was pretty good! Ended up running 15:40, 4:33yi, and 4:04 about ten years ago. I think that's top-3 for all former WA Preps in each event.","date_added":"Oct 29th 2013, 3:24am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":191362,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"897571":{"pb_id":"45158","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"897571","comment_id":"897571","member_id":"45158","comment":"

<\/a>Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:<\/p>

\nMillroe program shows her at Liberty in Colorado Springs in February of 1989 which the high school annual confirms. Then the annual has her running 4:23.95 and 4:25.41 for Mead in the spring as you note. She also ran 4:29.41 and 4:31.8 and 2:10.41. Hell of a season and only a soph.
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\nYep, I remember when she transferred from CO in the spring of 89. She was one hell of a runner. Her joining the Spokane running scene was nice since we just graduated Lisa Dressel (John Dressel's aunt).","date_added":"Oct 29th 2013, 2:52am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":191362,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"DontStopPre","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_wally_id":"1182171"},"897546":{"pb_id":"3300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"897546","comment_id":"897546","member_id":"3300","comment":"

<\/a>watchout, on , said:<\/p>

\nSarah Schwald went to school at Mead WA in the spring of '89... not sure when she moved from Colorado (obviously after the XC season), but she was at Mead by the spring.
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\nMillrose program shows her at Liberty in Colorado Springs in February of 1989 which the high school annual confirms. Then the annual has her running 4:23.95 and 4:25.41 for Mead in the spring as you note. She also ran 4:29.41 and 4:31.8 and 2:10.41. Hell of a season and only a soph.","date_added":"Oct 29th 2013, 1:39am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":191362,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Joe Lanzalotto","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=3300","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Joe-Lanzalotto.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"7321"},"897545":{"pb_id":"42418","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"897545","comment_id":"897545","member_id":"42418","comment":"Fantastic run and I know Makena is very good (and better than ever this fall), but 16:15-20 at Foot Locker would be well beyond "best-ever" there and I think it's too early to be talking about that. If she runs under 16:50 at FL, I would be extremely impressed (and surprised). That 16:35 IS a 3-mile course, too, not 5k.
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<\/a>Tom Keyes, on , said:<\/p>

\nMakena Morely, Big Fork, Montana ran a 16:35 to win the Group B (AA, A, B, C) Montana State Championship. She won the race by OVER 2 minutes. She BOMBED the course. The next fastest time was 17:31 by Aragon in the AA large school race.
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\nIf she responds well to competition, she could be in the 16:15 16:20 range at Foot Locker. This girl is crazy good.
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\nI would say the course was a "fast" course in two regards. Conditions were just perfect, sunny 50-55 degrees. The course was not particularly hilly. There was one portion that was a long modest grade uphill, perhaps 1\/2 a mile. The rest of the course was generally flat and fast(golf course). Elevation was around 3,200 to 3,300 feet, so not crazy.
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\nAlso a great course to view the meet. If you stood at the mile\/2-mile mark, the runners came through 4 times. And you could view them on about, I would say, nearly 3\/4 of the course. Best course I've seen for viewing. Did a lot of Holmdel NJ time. That is pretty much a start\/finish view, unless you have a motorcycle.
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\nEither way, 16:35 is freaking fast.
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<\/a>Joe Lanzalotto, on , said:<\/p>

\nChecked my Millrose programs. No girl from Montana has ever won the mile there. Those from outside the northeast are Sarah Schwald (Colorado 1989), Karen Goldlock (North Carolina 1993), Courtney Adams (Indiana 1996), Lindsay Hyatt (California 1998), Sarah Bei (California 2001), Cory McGee (Mississippi 2010).
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\nSarah Schwald went to school at Mead WA in the spring of '89... not sure when she moved from Colorado (obviously after the XC season), but she was at Mead by the spring.","date_added":"Oct 29th 2013, 12:25am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":191362,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"897456":{"pb_id":"3300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"897456","comment_id":"897456","member_id":"3300","comment":"

<\/a>Tom Keyes, on , said:<\/p>

\nI remember attending the Indoor Millrose games at Madison Square Garden (as I did frequently, before it moved to the Armory up in Washington Heights) where a girl from Montana (I think she was from Whitefish?) won the girls HS mile. This was sometime ago. Does anyone remember this or am I mistaken?
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\nChecked my Millrose programs. No girl from Montana has ever won the mile there. Those from outside the northeast are Sarah Schwald (Colorado 1989), Karen Goldlock (North Carolina 1993), Courtney Adams (Indiana 1996), Lindsay Hyatt (California 1998), Sarah Bei (California 2001), Cory McGee (Mississippi 2010).","date_added":"Oct 28th 2013, 9:52pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":191362,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Joe Lanzalotto","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=3300","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Joe-Lanzalotto.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"7321"},"897453":{"pb_id":"3300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"897453","comment_id":"897453","member_id":"3300","comment":"

<\/a>DougB, on , said:<\/p>

\nI should check that more often. I tend to gravitate to Fraulo Timing and Jim Lambert for NJ news. But I was spread pretty thin over the weekend. I'll find that meet. Thanks.
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\nLou Fraulo times mostly in north Jersey and does the state meets. The Morris County Track Coaches Association also does north Jersey and the state meets (MCTrack.org). NJRaces covers central Jersey (NJRaces.com). Tomahawktiming.com does mostly south Jersey.
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\nBut all the results end up collected on NJRunners.com.","date_added":"Oct 28th 2013, 9:41pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":191362,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Joe Lanzalotto","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=3300","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Joe-Lanzalotto.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"7321"},"897434":{"pb_id":"43834","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"897434","comment_id":"897434","member_id":"43834","comment":"I remember attending the Indoor Millrose games at Madison Square Garden (as I did frequently, before it moved to the Armory up in Washington Heights) where a girl from Montana (I think she was from Whitefish?) won the girls HS mile. This was sometime ago. Does anyone remember this or am I mistaken?","date_added":"Oct 28th 2013, 9:05pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":191362,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Tom Keyes","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43834","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43834","pb_wally_id":"1109012"},"897356":{"pb_id":"46488","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"897356","comment_id":"897356","member_id":"46488","comment":"Morley's 16:35 also broke a course record from 2002. She broke Zoe Nelson's record of 16:50 set in 2002. She subsequently went on to win Footlocker that year. The NCAA altitude adjustment for Missoula would be roughly -14.
\nHere's a link to the most current Montana records for girls: https:\/\/docs.google....7BGhgEFhXxI37dM<\/a>","date_added":"Oct 28th 2013, 7:54pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":191362,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-46488.jpg","pb_title":"Chardongirls1978","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=46488","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Chardongirls1978.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1145194"},"897341":{"pb_id":"44418","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"897341","comment_id":"897341","member_id":"44418","comment":"I should check that more often. I tend to gravitate to Fraulo Timing and Jim Lambert for NJ news. But I was spread pretty thin over the weekend. I'll find that meet. Thanks.","date_added":"Oct 28th 2013, 6:56pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":{"wally_id":"1082747","email_settings":"4294967295","email":"dbind4@aol.com","address":"DougB","gender":"u","member_id":"44418","member_name":"DougB","avatar_location":"av-44418.jpg","avatar_type":"upload","avatar":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-44418.jpg"},"can_delete":false,"item_id":191362,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-44418.jpg","pb_title":"DougB","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=44418","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/DougB.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1082747"},"896831":{"pb_id":"3300","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"896831","comment_id":"896831","member_id":"3300","comment":"

<\/a>Smythington, on , said:<\/p>

\nFast times in NJ this week. Josette Norris gets a 17:36 CR but is overshadowed by Briana Gess and her 16:57 in (two plus min's margin)?
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\nDefinitely not overshadowed. That CR is from 2002. Gess had a good win at the Colonial Conference Meet as Haddonfield threw a shutout. I would call Norris's time the performance of the week in NJ.
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\nShe just declared for UNC.
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\nDoug, all those results are posted on NJRunners.com. Sorry. Many of the conference and county meets in NJ were during the week, not yesterday.","date_added":"Oct 28th 2013, 2:06am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":191362,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Joe Lanzalotto","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=3300","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Joe-Lanzalotto.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"7321"},"896816":{"pb_id":"44418","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"896816","comment_id":"896816","member_id":"44418","comment":"

<\/a>Smythington, on , said:<\/p>

\nFast times in NJ this week. Josette Norris gets a 17:36 CR but is overshadowed by Briana Gess and her 16:57 in (two plus min's margin)?
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\nDo you know where I can find those results where Gess ran this weekend? On my first search I didn't find them. Thx","date_added":"Oct 28th 2013, 12:11am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":{"wally_id":"1082747","email_settings":"4294967295","email":"dbind4@aol.com","address":"DougB","gender":"u","member_id":"44418","member_name":"DougB","avatar_location":"av-44418.jpg","avatar_type":"upload","avatar":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-44418.jpg"},"can_delete":false,"item_id":191362,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-44418.jpg","pb_title":"DougB","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=44418","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/DougB.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1082747"},"896778":{"pb_id":"43834","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"896778","comment_id":"896778","member_id":"43834","comment":"Makena Morely, Big Fork, Montana ran a 16:35 to win the Group B (AA, A, B, C) Montana State Championship. She won the race by OVER 2 minutes. She BOMBED the course. The next fastest time was 17:31 by Aragon in the AA large school race.
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\nIf she responds well to competition, she could be in the 16:15 16:20 range at Foot Locker. This girl is crazy good.
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\nI would say the course was a "fast" course in two regards. Conditions were just perfect, sunny 50-55 degrees. The course was not particularly hilly. There was one portion that was a long modest grade uphill, perhaps 1\/2 a mile. The rest of the course was generally flat and fast(golf course). Elevation was around 3,200 to 3,300 feet, so not crazy.
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\nAlso a great course to view the meet. If you stood at the mile\/2-mile mark, the runners came through 4 times. And you could view them on about, I would say, nearly 3\/4 of the course. Best course I've seen for viewing. Did a lot of Holmdel NJ time. That is pretty much a start\/finish view, unless you have a motorcycle.
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\nEither way, 16:35 is freaking fast.","date_added":"Oct 27th 2013, 10:43pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":191362,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Tom Keyes","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43834","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43834","pb_wally_id":"1109012"},"896153":{"pb_id":"51257","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"896153","comment_id":"896153","member_id":"51257","comment":"Fast times in NJ this week. Josette Norris gets a 17:36 CR but is overshadowed by Briana Gess and her 16:57 in (two plus min's margin)?","date_added":"Oct 27th 2013, 7:00pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":191362,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"ProFromDover","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=51257","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Smythington.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1237794"}},"last_id":"896153","url":"comments.php?item_type=news&item_id=191362&item_url=gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44531"}