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<\/a>DontStopPre, on , said:<\/p>

\nThanks. So any reason? Injuries? Peak to soon? Over rated to begin with? Weak schedule early in the season? All of above?
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\nThey ran well early, and most didn't improve all that much since then. There was at least one injury and\/or sickness, Mike Newman can provide more detail on that.","date_added":"Nov 19th 2013, 5:03am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":195996,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"917607":{"pb_id":"45158","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"917607","comment_id":"917607","member_id":"45158","comment":"

<\/a>watchout, on , said:<\/p>

\nYork fell out of the rankings after their state meet. Their last "strong" race was at Palatine, so 4 weeks after that (October 31 rankings) was when they started dropping. #23 that week, I believe, after being in the top 10 previously.
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\nThanks. So any reason? Injuries? Peak to soon? Over rated to begin with? Weak schedule early in the season? All of above?","date_added":"Nov 19th 2013, 3:35am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":195996,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"DontStopPre","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_wally_id":"1182171"},"917545":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"917545","comment_id":"917545","member_id":"43715","comment":"York fell out of the rankings after their state meet. Their last "strong" race was at Palatine, so 4 weeks after that (October 31 rankings) was when they started dropping. #23 that week, I believe, after being in the top 10 previously.","date_added":"Nov 19th 2013, 2:12am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":195996,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"917538":{"pb_id":"45158","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"917538","comment_id":"917538","member_id":"45158","comment":"Perhaps an odd request but can anyone tell me why and approximately when York fell out of the ratings? I guess I was watching the NW elite along with teams like CBA, AF, and Arcadia that I didn't see York drop so much until I saw the NXN MW results. Pretty sure xcnation had York #1 in US mid way through the season.","date_added":"Nov 19th 2013, 1:59am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":195996,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"DontStopPre","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_wally_id":"1182171"},"913774":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"913774","comment_id":"913774","member_id":"43715","comment":"

<\/a>RunningPrince, on , said:<\/p>

\nIts sad to see all the Utah teams drop because they haven't raced in about a month. I bet when you see American Fork, Lone Peak, Orem, Westlake and Davis at NSW they will change your mind.. can't wait to see what happens this week!
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\nI wouldn't be surprised at all.","date_added":"Nov 17th 2013, 4:48am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":195996,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"913773":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"913773","comment_id":"913773","member_id":"43715","comment":"Pacific League update -
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\nBurbank in the last three weeks:
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\n78:32\tCIF-SS Prelims
\n75:10.47 Pacific League
\n78:31\tMt. SAC
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\n... pretty consistent, suggesting the Pacific League course ran ~40 seconds faster than Mt. SAC.
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\nCrescenta Valley in the last three weeks:
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\n78:19 CIF-SS Prelims
\n75:34.69 Pacific League
\n79:42 Mt. SAC
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\n... an average of 3:25, suggesting the Pacific League course ran ~41 seconds faster than Mt. SAC.
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\nBurroughs (Burbank) in the last three weeks:
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\n79:48 CIF-SS Prelims
\n77:15.14 Pacific League
\n80:38 Mt. SAC
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\n... an average of 2:57, suggesting the Pacific League course ran ~36 seconds faster than Mt. SAC
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\n
\nArcadia girls:
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\n94:00 CIF-SS Prelims
\n89:54.93 Pacific League
\n93:49 Mt. SAC
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\n... an average of 4:00, suggesting the Pacific League course ran ~48 seconds faster than Mt. SAC
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\n
\n
\nCrescenta Valley girls:
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\n96:22 CIF-SS Prelims
\n92:52.12 Pacific League
\n98:56 Mt. SAC
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\n... an average of 4:47, suggesting the Pacific League course ran ~57 seconds faster than Mt. SAC
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\n
\nBurbank girls:
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\n98:20 CIF-SS Prelims
\n95:13.48 Pacific League
\n100:32 Mt. SAC
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\n... an average of 4:12, suggesting the Pacific League course ran ~50 seconds faster than Mt. SAC
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\n
\nObviously, that's a very rough and incomplete way to look at it, but the implication is pretty obvious:
\nthe Pacific League course was definitely more than 25 seconds faster than Mt. SAC.","date_added":"Nov 17th 2013, 4:47am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":195996,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"913335":{"pb_id":"51320","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"913335","comment_id":"913335","member_id":"51320","comment":"Its sad to see all the Utah teams drop because they haven't raced in about a month. I bet when you see American Fork, Lone Peak, Orem, Westlake and Davis at NSW they will change your mind.. can't wait to see what happens this week!","date_added":"Nov 16th 2013, 3:39pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":195996,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"RunningPrince","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=51320","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/RunningPrince.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1241920"},"912626":{"pb_id":"45158","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"912626","comment_id":"912626","member_id":"45158","comment":"

<\/a>watchout, on , said:<\/p>

\nonce in a lifetime 'til next year
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\nThere has been some talk recently whether we are getting ahead of ourselves and prematurely declaring this the best season ever. On one hand people do tend to let their emotions get the best of them and think that way: this season is the best ever of this generation is the best ever, my generation of music is the best ever, etc. However if you look at the 2012 xcnation postal results I think it's clear that last spring was the best year ever for distance teams in US history. Then when you compare this season's xc teams to last season's it does seem that '13 is better than '12. And not just a little bit better, but substantially (though not, head and shoulders better, but substantially). Can '14 be even better? Perhaps, many of the top teams have seniors but I tend to think they will reload well. One thing I feel strong about is that IF NXN somehow doesn't deliver (ie the course is slow because of sloppy conditions, or it surprisingly becomes a slow tactical race) this is still one of if not the best years ever. Some people have said we must wait till the championship race to evaluate the season, I disagree, I feel that most people know it's top 5 all-time, it's just up to each individual where in the top 5 you rank it.","date_added":"Nov 15th 2013, 4:34pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":195996,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"DontStopPre","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=45158","pb_wally_id":"1182171"},"912489":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"912489","comment_id":"912489","member_id":"43715","comment":"Yes, Burbank is pretty good. But judging by the times, the Pacific League Championships course was fast.
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\nI will, of course, continue to review the ratings if it seems off compared to the races over the course of the next couple weeks.
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\nBy the way, if the Pacific League Championships course was about on par with the Irvine Regional Park course, this is how the two teams would compare based on last weekend's races alone:
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\nElliot Choe 12 Burbank CA 14:44.09
\nArsen Mkrtchyan 12 Burbank CA 14:49.12
\nGabriel Ellman 12 Burbank CA 15:08.38
\nEthan Moskowitz 12 Burbank CA 15:09.91
\nEnrique Vizaino 11 Burbank CA 15:18.97
\nBrennan Doyle 11 Burbank CA 15:22.93
\nAndres Vasquez 12 Burbank CA 15:59.88
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\nGarrett Kraal 12 Kamiakin WA 14:38.22
\nAndrew Snyder 11 Kamiakin WA 14:40.59
\nCameron Glade 11 Kamiakin WA 14:42.07
\nPhillip Fishburn 10 Kamiakin WA 15:04.07
\nKeegan McCormick 12 Kamiakin WA 15:10.78
\nDaniel Sanchez 12 Kamiakin WA 15:28.43
\nBen Brooks 11 Kamiakin WA 15:36.71
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\n
\nKamiakin ahead by ~5 seconds at #1, ~10 seconds at #2, ~25 seconds at #3, ~5 seconds at #4, and ~10 seconds at #5.
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\nHowever, based on times ran by all the athletes in the field, I think the course ran a little faster than that even.
\n
\nA better straight-up comparison would be looking at the Clovis Invite, since that course runs much more closely (Woodward being about 5-10 seconds faster) to Sun Willows (WA State) - not to mention it's a well known course, making comparisons much easier:
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\nElliot Choe 12 Burbank CA 15:55
\nArsen Mkrtchyan 12 Burbank CA 16:16
\nGabriel Ellman 12 Burbank CA 16:29
\nEthan Moskowitz 12 Burbank CA 16:23
\nEnrique Vizaino 11 Burbank CA 16:25
\nBrennan Doyle 11 Burbank CA 16:40
\nAndres Vasquez 12 Burbank CA 16:44
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\nGarrett Kraal 12 Kamiakin WA 15:31
\nAndrew Snyder 11 Kamiakin WA 15:34
\nCameron Glade 11 Kamiakin WA 15:35
\nPhillip Fishburn 10 Kamiakin WA 15:59
\nKeegan McCormick 12 Kamiakin WA 16:06
\nDaniel Sanchez 12 Kamiakin WA 16:24
\nBen Brooks 11 Kamiakin WA 16:33
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\n(this was the more conservative 5 second comparison... though it's been pretty consistent at 8-12 in the past)
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\nObviously, Burbank has improved since then (as shown above), but not enough to put them in the conversation with a top-15 team just yet.
\n
\nFYI, based on the Pacific League Championship meet alone, that course would have to be within < 25 seconds of Mt. SAC to get Burbank past Palos Verdes and St. John Bosco.","date_added":"Nov 15th 2013, 9:16am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":195996,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"919053":{"pb_id":"52049","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"912489","pid":"919053","comment_id":"919053","member_id":"52049","comment":"Yeah. You've got a tough job. Agree with much of what you lay out. Clovis was a bad one for Burbank, but was almost 6 weeks ago now. Didn't think it would linger as long as it has. Training through Mt Sac and cruising at Prelims at Mt Sac hurts all the California teams in the rankings, but the alternative is to gun it and risk not even getting through at all to the State Meet.
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\r\nDid get ahead of Palos Verdes and St John Bosco though. ;)
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\r\nShould be an interesting weekend.","date_added":"Nov 21st 2013, 10:05pm","nest":1,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":195996,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"https:\/\/fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net\/hprofile-ak-ash1\/370279_766344749_216585556_q.jpg","pb_title":"miler mike","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=52049","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=52049","pb_wally_id":"1325796"},"912478":{"pb_id":"52049","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"912478","comment_id":"912478","member_id":"52049","comment":"#15 Kamiakin - 5K (-50 seconds per man) at the WA 3A Championships.
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\n1446
\n1448
\n1450
\n1516
\n1521
\n1539
\n1548
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\nNR Burbank 3mile at the Pacific League Championships.
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\n1444
\n1449
\n1508
\n1509
\n1518
\n1522
\n1558","date_added":"Nov 15th 2013, 8:30am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":195996,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"https:\/\/fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net\/hprofile-ak-ash1\/370279_766344749_216585556_q.jpg","pb_title":"miler mike","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=52049","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=52049","pb_wally_id":"1325796"},"912378":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"912378","comment_id":"912378","member_id":"43715","comment":"once in a lifetime 'til next year","date_added":"Nov 15th 2013, 4:11am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":195996,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"}},"last_id":"912378","url":"comments.php?item_type=news&item_id=195996&item_url=gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44531"}