{"comments":{"933623":{"pb_id":"50769","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"933623","comment_id":"933623","member_id":"50769","comment":"Does anyone know if a breakdown by grade level is available?","date_added":"Dec 12th 2013, 11:21pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":198252,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"xctfan","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=50769","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=50769","pb_wally_id":"1217319"},"933289":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"933289","comment_id":"933289","member_id":"43715","comment":"
<\/a>SteveU, on , said:<\/p> <\/a>SteveU, on , said:<\/p> <\/a>dave frank, on , said:<\/p> <\/a>Not That Guy, on , said:<\/p>
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\nOnly including the regional years (since it could be argued that pre-2007 every team was at-large), there have been four that finished higher and two more that finished fifth.
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\n#3 Saratoga Springs NY girls 2007
\n#4 East Aurora NY girls 2012
\n#4 Loyola Academy IL boys 2009
\n#4 Hanover NH girls 2007
\n#5 Palatine IL boys 2011
\n#5 Queensbury NY girls 2008","date_added":"Dec 12th 2013, 1:47am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":198252,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"933280":{"pb_id":"4531","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"933280","comment_id":"933280","member_id":"4531","comment":"
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\nDidn't Palatine boys finish 5th in 2011? (Right in front of us, DOH!)","date_added":"Dec 12th 2013, 12:56am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":198252,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"members\/avatar\/1719.jpg","pb_title":"Coach Mostert","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=4531","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Coach-Mostert.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"975"},"933241":{"pb_id":"42418","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"933241","comment_id":"933241","member_id":"42418","comment":"How many at-large teams have finished better than Monarch, if any?","date_added":"Dec 11th 2013, 10:24pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":198252,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-42418.jpeg","pb_title":"SteveU","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=42418","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/SteveU.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1030740"},"932587":{"pb_id":"44418","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"932587","comment_id":"932587","member_id":"44418","comment":"How the double-qualified schools fared:
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\nFayetteville-Manlius: Girls 2nd, Boys 4th
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\nWayzata: Girls 1st, Boys 15th
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\nDavis UT: Girls 3rd, Boys 17th
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\nSouthlake Carroll: Boys 14th, Girls 17th
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\nInteresting that the top four girls team in the country this year come from schools where the boys also qualified for NXN.","date_added":"Dec 10th 2013, 4:01am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":{"wally_id":"1082747","email_settings":"4294967295","email":"dbind4@aol.com","address":"DougB","gender":"u","member_id":"44418","member_name":"DougB","avatar_location":"av-44418.jpg","avatar_type":"upload","avatar":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-44418.jpg"},"can_delete":false,"item_id":198252,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-44418.jpg","pb_title":"DougB","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=44418","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/DougB.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1082747"},"932583":{"pb_id":"44418","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"932583","comment_id":"932583","member_id":"44418","comment":"I remember noticing a few minutes into the race, when the girls passed by the grandstand the first time, that Unionville (aka Kennett) was very far back. I'm not surprised to see that they were 17th at the first split. After a rough start they did a pretty good job clawing back up to 7th.","date_added":"Dec 10th 2013, 3:56am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":{"wally_id":"1082747","email_settings":"4294967295","email":"dbind4@aol.com","address":"DougB","gender":"u","member_id":"44418","member_name":"DougB","avatar_location":"av-44418.jpg","avatar_type":"upload","avatar":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-44418.jpg"},"can_delete":false,"item_id":198252,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-44418.jpg","pb_title":"DougB","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=44418","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/DougB.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1082747"},"932551":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"932551","comment_id":"932551","member_id":"43715","comment":"Here's the girls breakdown, first by weighted average time and also including ROUGH score (score is questionable, as there are many ties that aren't broken)
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\nBig movers: none (Unionville PA again made the biggest move, but it wasn't much different from where they were at the last split compared to the rest of the field)
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\nBig movers: none (Davis UT made the biggest move, but it wasn't much different from where they were at the last split compared to the rest of the field)
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\n-Wayzata made their big move between the first and second split, and there was only gradual improvement thereafter.
\n-Fayetteville-Manlius got off to a big start as usual, and as usual were gradually fading till the end.
\n-Davis UT only made one decent sized move, which was in the last kilometer, so they ran an extremely evenly paced race (compared to the field).
\n-Unionville was the only team to make big moves for consecutive splits (much like Edina for the boys), though they did lose ground in the final kilometer.
\n-Monarch and Fort Collins, like Davis, ran a very even race with their biggest move (which wasn't that much compared to the rest of the field) in the final kilometer. Interesting that all three SW teams ran the same way.
\n-Coe-Brown, like Fayetteville-Manlius, got off to a good start and faded throughout. Their drop-off was bigger, especially in the first half of the race, however.
\n-Overall, there wasn't a whole lot of big movement throughout the race after the second split.","date_added":"Dec 10th 2013, 2:19am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":198252,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"932549":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"932549","comment_id":"932549","member_id":"43715","comment":"
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\nI'm more interested in the places at each kilo in terms of how athletes moved up (or back) as the race progressed...
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\nTeam scores at splits aren't posted anywhere (that I know of).
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\nDoug linked to the boys splits, and here are the girls: http:\/\/www.rtspt.com...3\/Girls_Spl.htm<\/a>
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\nI thought about including a race progression analysis as well, but figured that I had included enough data (it was around 3000 words already) for one story.
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\nThe first split won't yield an accurate comparison for ALL teams, as there were 2-3 teams in both races that were missing a runner (the mat didn't pick up the timing chip for whatever reason), though all the other splits included everyone.
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\nBig movers: Edina MN, Brentwood TN, Carmel IN, St. Xavier OH, Madera South CA
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\nBig movers: Edina MN, American Fork UT, Gig Harbor WA, Fayetteville-Manlius NY
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\nBig movers: Edina MN
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\n-Gig Harbor made their big move between the second and third splits, and while didn't make a huge jump after that they continued to build on their lead at a pretty good pace.
\n-CBA started off well and pretty much stayed at that level, not moving up or down too much in the pack.
\n-Brentwood made a huge move between the first and second split, and pretty much held ground thereafter.
\n-Hinsdale, Dana Hills and Northport had the biggest time gain (or loss? depending on how you look at it) between the first and second splits, meaning they were probably effected the most by the pile-up.","date_added":"Dec 10th 2013, 2:05am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":198252,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"932507":{"pb_id":"44418","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"932507","comment_id":"932507","member_id":"44418","comment":"There is this, but it's not that easy to make sense of it.
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\nIt would be helpful if it were sorted by teams.
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\nhttp:\/\/www.rtspt.com...13\/Boys_Spl.htm<\/a>","date_added":"Dec 9th 2013, 11:34pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":{"wally_id":"1082747","email_settings":"4294967295","email":"dbind4@aol.com","address":"DougB","gender":"u","member_id":"44418","member_name":"DougB","avatar_location":"av-44418.jpg","avatar_type":"upload","avatar":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-44418.jpg"},"can_delete":false,"item_id":198252,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-44418.jpg","pb_title":"DougB","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=44418","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/DougB.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1082747"},"932505":{"pb_id":"1910","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"932505","comment_id":"932505","member_id":"1910","comment":"In previous years the 1km splits were available as a spreadsheet... Anyone know if they are available this year?
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\nI'm more interested in the places at each kilo in terms of how athletes moved up (or back) as the race progressed...
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\nthanks,
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\nhttp:\/\/www.runnerspa...howtopic=879972<\/a>
\nhttp:\/\/www.runnerspa...howtopic=880897<\/a>
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\nDan","date_added":"Dec 9th 2013, 5:25am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":198252,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"members\/avatar\/3295.jpg","pb_title":"dkap","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=9184","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/dkap.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"10044"},"931729":{"pb_id":"52387","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"931729","comment_id":"931729","member_id":"52387","comment":"How were the predictions arrived at, and are they available online somewhere?","date_added":"Dec 9th 2013, 5:17am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":198252,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Not That Guy","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=52387","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Not-That-Guy.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1317589"}},"last_id":"931729","url":"comments.php?item_type=news&item_id=198252&item_url=gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44531"}