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<\/a>Doug Soles, on , said:<\/p>

\nRob,
\n
\nJust out of curiosity, is our ranking with or without Spencer Dodds who transferred to our school this summer? He has run a 15:19 5k so far this summer and 4:21 for 1600 last year as a 10th grader. No worries either way, just will help me see how we stack up.
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\nThank you,
\n
\nDoug
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\nWithout. Quick look suggests that he makes you guys competitive with Kamiakin for US#11.","date_added":"Sep 3rd 2014, 9:04pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":278367,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1111829":{"pb_id":"10145","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1111829","comment_id":"1111829","member_id":"10145","comment":"Rob,
\n
\nJust out of curiosity, is our ranking with or without Spencer Dodds who transferred to our school this summer? He has run a 15:19 5k so far this summer and 4:21 for 1600 last year as a 10th grader. No worries either way, just will help me see how we stack up.
\n
\nThank you,
\n
\nDoug","date_added":"Sep 3rd 2014, 2:28pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":278367,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"Doug Soles","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=10145","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/Doug-Soles.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"12696"},"1111770":{"pb_id":"44418","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1111770","comment_id":"1111770","member_id":"44418","comment":"I like the idea of additional BorderClash type events .... and one that I think could have some merit would be a New York vs. Ontario "clash" built around the Niagara Falls\/Lake Ontario border. That might be fun.","date_added":"Sep 3rd 2014, 3:57am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":{"wally_id":"1082747","email_settings":"4294967295","email":"dbind4@aol.com","address":"DougB","gender":"u","member_id":"44418","member_name":"DougB","avatar_location":"av-44418.jpg","avatar_type":"upload","avatar":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-44418.jpg"},"can_delete":false,"item_id":278367,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-44418.jpg","pb_title":"DougB","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=44418","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/DougB.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1082747"},"1111749":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1111749","comment_id":"1111749","member_id":"43715","comment":"Just what we need - Canadians in even more US Championships. :P
\n(no offense to our friends up north, but I think Canada already has a national championship, and I'd like us to have one as well)
\n(also, aside from Southern BC, that'd be one massive trek for Canadian teams to the NW regional)","date_added":"Sep 3rd 2014, 1:59am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":278367,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1111747":{"pb_id":"42578","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1111747","comment_id":"1111747","member_id":"42578","comment":"Why not make it more complicated...bring Canada in...under U.s. Rules and have Ontario and east run with NewYork and the rest go with the northwest and Alaska. See Canadians at indoor and outdoor nationals at time but sence XC would also make some sense too...they buy shoes up there too. Snowshoes...","date_added":"Sep 3rd 2014, 2:01am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":278367,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"bsarno","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=42578","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/bsarno.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1037168"},"1111746":{"pb_id":"42578","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1111746","comment_id":"1111746","member_id":"42578","comment":"Why not make it more complicated...bring Canada in...under U.s. Rules and have Ontario and east run with NewYork and the rest go with the northwest and Alaska. See Canadians at indoor and outdoor nationals at time but sence XC would also make some sense too...they buy shoes up there too. Snowshoes...","date_added":"Sep 3rd 2014, 1:56am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":278367,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"bsarno","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=42578","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/bsarno.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1037168"},"1111741":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1111741","comment_id":"1111741","member_id":"43715","comment":"A trio of NY teams were also on the bubble.
\n
\nAs for the NXN regional alignments... I've shared my opinion on that before - NY should combine with New England, and NJ\/PA\/MD\/DE\/VA\/WV should combine for a Mid-Atlantic region (would cut down on travel to regional meets, increasing participation, and prevents another state from having teams automatically make it to NXN without needing to beat other state champions ... California is unavoidable in that respect - and always deep enough on BOTH sides, but NY isn't always and the situation isn't unavoidable)
\n
\nA note on how the preseason regional rankings would look on the national scale with those simple changes...
\n
\nWould-be #4's:
\nNE#4 would be 12 instead of 14
\nMA#4 would be 22 instead of NY's 101+
\nSE#4 would be 69 instead of 63
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\nWould-be #5's:
\nNE#5 would be 43 instead of 20
\nMA#5 would be 34 instead of NY's 102+
\nSE#5 would be 75 instead of 69
\n
\nor, in other words, little difference to the NY + New England teams in terms of how the #4 team (possible but difficult to qualify for NXN from, if teams finish in that order at NXR) would stack up, much more reasonable for MA teams compared to NY, and little change for the SE. The bigger story is the #5 spot (best team that cannot qualify for NXN, if teams finish in that order at NXR), where the strongest region is US#34 instead of US#20 (meaning more potential Top-30 teams are eligible for At-Large consideration, rather than being disqualified because their region is just too elite at the top)","date_added":"Sep 3rd 2014, 1:42am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":278367,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1111737":{"pb_id":"42578","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1111737","comment_id":"1111737","member_id":"42578","comment":"Only three teams from NewYork. Has its own NXN region?
\n
\nTwo in top six, a 43 and then nothing...
\nWill be interesting to see how Northport rebuilds and what is happening at Arlington and in Rockland County.","date_added":"Sep 3rd 2014, 1:34am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":278367,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"bsarno","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=42578","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/bsarno.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1037168"},"1111349":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1111349","comment_id":"1111349","member_id":"43715","comment":"Breakdown of # of teams by region and state (Southeast boys are third deepest region!)
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\n
\nMidwest: 21<\/strong><\/span>
\nIllinois = 8
\nMissouri = 4
\nIndiana = 3
\nMichigan = 3
\nOhio = 3
\n
\nCalifornia: 17<\/strong><\/span>
\nSouthern Section = 10
\nCentral Coast Section = 2
\nCentral Section = 2
\nNorth Coast Section = 1
\nSac-Joaquin Section = 1
\nSan Diego Section = 1
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\n
\nSoutheast: 15<\/strong><\/span>
\nVirginia = 3
\nFlorida = 2
\nKentucky = 2
\nNorth Carolina = 2
\nAlabama = 1
\nDelaware = 1
\nGeorgia = 1
\nMaryland = 1
\nTennessee = 1
\nWest Virginia = 1
\n
\nNortheast: 13<\/strong><\/span>
\nNew Jersey = 6
\nPennsylvania = 4
\nRhode Island = 2
\nConnecticut = 1
\n
\nNorthwest: 9<\/strong><\/span>
\nWashington = 6
\nOregon = 2
\nIdaho = 1
\n
\nHeartland: 8<\/strong><\/span>
\nMinnesota = 4
\nIowa = 1
\nNorth Dakota = 1
\nSouth Dakota = 1
\nWisconsin = 1
\n
\nSouthwest: 8<\/strong><\/span>
\nUtah = 5
\nColorado = 2
\nNew Mexico = 1
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\nSouth: 6<\/strong><\/span>
\nTexas = 3
\nArkansas = 2
\nOkalhoma = 1
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\nNew York: 3<\/strong><\/span>
\nSection 3 = 2
\nCHSAA = 1
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\n
\nDeepest states should come as no surprise:
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\nCIF Southern Section = 10
\nIllinois = 8
\nNew Jersey = 6
\nWashington = 6
\nUtah = 5","date_added":"Sep 2nd 2014, 3:01am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":278367,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1111297":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1111297","comment_id":"1111297","member_id":"43715","comment":"Team rankings with notes on 2013 XC finishes:
\n
\nEDIT: Now with the # of returners! Note that the returners position on the team is from the results of multiple meets (State, NXR, NXN), so it might not always match up with who were\/weren't scorers at meet X<\/em>
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\nRank. Team (2013 Final Top 40) - State \/ Season Ending Championship; NXR Finish (NXN Finish NXN)
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\n1. La Salle Academy RI<\/strong> (NR) - New England Champion; Northeast eighth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 5\/5, 7\/7)
\n2. Christian Brothers Academy NJ<\/strong> (2) - New Jersey MOC Champion; Northeast Champion (#2 NXN); Returns 2\/5, 4\/7)
\n3. American Fork UT<\/strong> (7) - Utah 5A State Champion; Southwest Champion (#7 NXN); Returns 2\/5, 3\/7)
\n4. Central Catholic OR<\/strong> (20) - Oregon 6A State Champion; Northwest third place (#19 NXN); Returns 4\/5, 6\/7)
\n5. Fayetteville-Manlius NY<\/strong> (4) - New York A State Champion; New York Champion (#4 NXN); Returns 4\/5, 6\/7)
\n6. Liverpool NY<\/strong> (21) - New York Federations Champion; New York third place (#20 NXN); Returns 4\/5, 6\/7)
\n7. North Central WA<\/strong> (8) - Washington 3A State Champion; Northwest Runner-up (#8 NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n8. Southlake Carroll TX<\/strong> (14) - Texas 5A State Champion; South Champion (#14 NXN); Returns 3\/5, 4\/7)
\n9. Davis UT<\/strong> (17) - Utah 5A State third place; Southwest Runner-up (#17 NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n10. Wayzata MN<\/strong> (15) - Minnesota 2A State Champion; Heartland Runner-up (#15 NXN); Returns 4\/5, 6\/7)
\n11. Kamiakin WA<\/strong> (28) - Washington 3A State Runner-up; Northwest fifth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n12. Ridgefield CT<\/strong> (25) - New England Runner-up; Northeast third place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n13. Great Oak CA<\/strong> (NR) - CIF-SS Division 1 seventh place; California D1 12th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n14. Don Bosco NJ<\/strong> (NR) - New Jersey MOC Runner-up; Northeast 14th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n15. Madera South CA<\/strong> (16) - Central Section D1 Champion; California D1 Runner-up (#16 NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n16. Edina MN<\/strong> (10) - Minnesota 2A State Runner-up; Heartland Champion (#10 NXN); Returns 2\/5, 3\/7)
\n17. Warren CA<\/strong> (19) - CIF-SS Division 1 Champion; California D1 fourth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n18. Timpanogos UT<\/strong> (NR) - Utah 4A State Runner-up; Southwest 11th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 4\/7)
\n19. Broughton NC<\/strong> (24) - North Carolina 4A State Champion; Southeast third place (DNQ NXN); Returns 2\/5, 4\/7)
\n20. Malvern Prep PA<\/strong> (NR) - Pennsylvania Independent Schools Champion; Northeast fifth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n21. Jenks OK<\/strong> (NR) - Oklahoma 6A State Champion; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n22. Lake Braddock VA<\/strong> (NR) - Virginia 6A State Runner-up; Southeast sixth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 4\/7)
\n23. College Park TX<\/strong> (NR) - Texas 5A State Runner-up; South fourth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n24. Gig Harbor WA<\/strong> (1) - Washington 4A State Champion; Northwest Champion (#1 NXN); Returns 2\/5, 4\/7)
\n25. Wisconsin Lutheran WI<\/strong> (NR) - Wisconsin D2 State Champion; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 5\/5, 5\/7)
\n26. Stillwater MN<\/strong> (NR) - Minnesota 2A State third place; Heartland third place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 6\/7)
\n27. Neuqua Valley IL<\/strong> (NR) - Illinois 3A State tenth place; Midwest 15th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n28. Summit OR<\/strong> (NR) - Oregon 5A State Champion; Northwest tenth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 5\/5, 7\/7)
\n29. Saugus CA<\/strong> (NR) - CIF-SS Division 2 Champion; California D2 Champion (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 4\/7)
\n30. St. Louis University MO<\/strong> (NR) - Missouri Class 4 State Champion; Midwest 34th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n31. Lafayette (Wildwood) MO<\/strong> (NR) - Missouri Class 4 State third place; Midwest 23rd place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 6\/7)
\n32. South Brunswick NJ<\/strong> (NR) - NJ Group 4 fifth place; Northeast tenth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 2\/5, 3\/7)
\n33. Central Valley WA<\/strong> (NR) - Washington 4A State third place; Northwest 11th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 4\/7)
\n34. North Allegheny PA<\/strong> (NR) - Pennsylvania 3A State Runner-up; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 4\/7)
\n35. Rubidoux CA<\/strong> (NR) - CIF-SS Division 3 sixth place; California D3 sixth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 5\/5, 6\/7)
\n36. Jurupa Hills CA<\/strong> (NR) - CIF-SS Division 3 Runner-up; California D3 Champion (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 4\/7)
\n37. New Trier IL<\/strong> (NR) - Illinois 3A State sixth place; Midwest 11th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n38. West Lafayette IN<\/strong> (NR) - Indiana State ninth place; Midwest 25th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 5\/5, 7\/7)
\n39. St. Xavier OH<\/strong> (6) - Ohio D1 State Champion; Midwest Runner-up (#6 NXN); Returns 3\/5, 3\/7)
\n40. Rogers AR<\/strong> (NR) - Arkansas 7A State Champion; South tenth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 5\/5, 7\/7)
\n41. Bellarmine Prep CA<\/strong> (NR) - CIF-CCS Division 1 Champion; California D1 sixth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n42. Brea Olinda CA<\/strong> (NR) - CIF-SS Division 3 Champion; California D3 Runner-up (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 4\/7)
\n43. St. Anthony's NY<\/strong> (23) - New York Federations third place; New York fourth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 2\/5, 3\/7)
\n44. Albuquerque Academy NM<\/strong> (NR) - New Mexico 4A State Runner-up; Southwest seventh place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 4\/7)
\n45. Hilliard Davidson OH<\/strong> (NR) - Ohio D1 State third place; Midwest seventh place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n46. Cherry Hill East NJ<\/strong> (NR) - New Jersey MOC ninth place; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 6\/7)
\n47. Auburn AL<\/strong> (NR) - Alabama 6A State Champion; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n48. Vallivue ID<\/strong> (NR) - Idaho 5A State fifth place; Northwest Open Runner-up (DNQ NXN); Returns 5\/5, 7\/7)
\n49. Ogden UT<\/strong> (NR) - Utah 4A State third place; Southwest fourth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 4\/7)
\n50. Ventura CA<\/strong> (NR) - CIF-SS Division 1 Prelims H3 fifth place; Did not qualify for CA State (DNQ NXN); Returns 5\/5, 7\/7)
\n51. Bishop Hendricken RI<\/strong> (NR) - New England third place; Northeast ninth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n52. West Plains MO<\/strong> (NR) - Missouri Class 4 State fifth place; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 6\/7)
\n53. Bloomington North IN<\/strong> (NR) - Indiana State sixth place; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 5\/5, 6\/7)
\n54. Eastlake WA<\/strong> (NR) - Washington 4A State ninth place; Northwest Open Champion (DNQ NXN); Returns 2\/5, 3\/7)
\n55. Waterford Mott MI<\/strong> (NR) - Michigan D1 State Runner-up; Midwest 19th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n56. The Woodlands TX<\/strong> (NR) - Texas 5A State seventh place; South third place (DNQ NXN); Returns 1\/5, 2\/7)
\n57. Davis Sr. CA<\/strong> (NR) - CIF-SJS Division 2 Champion; California D1 ninth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n58. Dana Hills CA<\/strong> (18) - CIF-SS Division 1 third place; California D1 third place (#18 NXN); Returns 3\/5, 3\/7)
\n59. Westview CA<\/strong> (NR) - CIF-SDS Division 2 third place; California D2 ninth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n60. Northville MI<\/strong> (NR) - Michigan D1 State fifth place; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n61. Sioux Falls Lincoln SD<\/strong> (NR) - South Dakota 2A State Champion; Heartland 11th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 6\/7)
\n62. Hinsdale Central IL<\/strong> (27) - Illinois 3A State Champion; Midwest third place (#22 NXN); Returns 2\/5, 3\/7)
\n63. St. Xavier KY<\/strong> (NR) - Kentucky 3A State Champion; Southeast seventh place (DNQ NXN); Returns 2\/5, 2\/7)
\n64. Canyon (Anaheim) CA<\/strong> (NR) - CIF-SS Division 2 fourth place; California D2 fourth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 4\/7)
\n65. Clovis North CA<\/strong> (NR) - CIF-CS Division 1 Runner-up; California D1 eighth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n66. Sandburg IL<\/strong> (NR) - Illinois 3A State seventh place; Midwest 13th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n67. York IL<\/strong> (NR) - Illinois 3A State fifth place; Midwest sixth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 3\/7)
\n68. Yorkville IL<\/strong> (NR) - Illinois 2A State Champion; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n69. Leon FL<\/strong> (NR) - Florida 3A State fourth place; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 6\/7)
\n70. Cardinal O'Hara PA<\/strong> (36) - Pennsylvania 3A State third place; Northeast fourth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 4\/7)
\n71. W.W.P. South NJ<\/strong> (NR) - New Jersey MOC third place; Northeast sixth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n72. Dublin Coffman OH<\/strong> (NR) - OH D1 Region 3 sixth place; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 5\/5, 6\/7)
\n73. Festus MO<\/strong> (NR) - Missouri Class 3 State Runner-up; Midwest 22nd place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n74. Conestoga PA<\/strong> (NR) - Pennsylvania 3A State seventh place; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 6\/7)
\n75. Cardinal Gibbons NC<\/strong> (NR) - North Carolina 3A State Runner-up; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 5\/5, 6\/7)
\n76. Tatnall DE<\/strong> (NR) - Delaware D2 State Champion; Southeast eighth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 4\/7)
\n77. Long Beach Poly CA<\/strong> (NR) - CIF-SS Division 1 tenth place; DNQ (DNQ NXN); Returns 2\/5, 2\/7)
\n78. Bentonville AR<\/strong> (NR) - Arkansas 7A State Runner-up; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 5\/5, 6\/7)
\n79. Bellarmine Prep WA<\/strong> (NR) - Washington 4A State fifth place; Northwest ninth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n80. West Springfield VA<\/strong> (NR) - VA 6A North Region ninth place; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 6\/7)
\n81. Dulaney MD<\/strong> (NR) - Maryland 4A State Runner-up; Southeast 18th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n82. Cooper KY<\/strong> (NR) - Kentucky 3A State 11th place; Southeast 19th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 5\/5, 6\/7)
\n83. Mountain View UT<\/strong> (NR) - Utah 4A State seventh place; Southwest Open Runner-up (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 4\/7)
\n84. Pleasant Valley IA<\/strong> (NR) - Iowa 4A State fifth place; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n85. Bismarck ND<\/strong> (NR) - North Dakota A State Champion; Heartland seventh place (DNQ NXN); Returns 2\/5, 3\/7)
\n86. De La Salle CA<\/strong> (NR) - CIF-NCS Division 1 Champion; California D1 seventh place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 4\/7)
\n87. Marietta GA<\/strong> (NR) - Georgia 6A State fifth place; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 6\/7)
\n88. Lawton Chiles FL<\/strong> (NR) - Florida 3A State Runner-up; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n89. Midlothian VA<\/strong> (26) - Virginia 4A State Champion; Southeast fourth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n90. Daniel Boone TN<\/strong> (NR) - Tennessee 3A State Runner-up; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n91. Hopkins MN<\/strong> (NR) - MN 2A Section 6 third place; Heartland 28th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n92. Summit NJ<\/strong> (NR) - New Jersey MOC 13th place; Northeast 19th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 4\/5, 5\/7)
\n93. Fort Collins CO<\/strong> (NR) - Colorado 5A State Runner-up; Southwest 13th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 4\/7)
\n94. Hersey IL<\/strong> (NR) - Illinois 3A State 11th place; Midwest 14th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 2\/5, 3\/7)
\n95. University WV<\/strong> (NR) - West Virginia 3A State Champion; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n96. Los Gatos CA<\/strong> (NR) - CIF-CCS Division 2 Runner-up; California D2 19th place (DNQ NXN); Returns 5\/5, 7\/7)
\n97. Naperville North IL<\/strong> (NR) - Illinois 3A State ninth place; Midwest Open fourth place (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 4\/7)
\n98. Traverse City Central MI<\/strong> (NR) - Michigan D1 State third place; Did not compete (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)
\n99. Carmel IN<\/strong> (5) - Indiana State Champion; Midwest Champion (#5 NXN); Returns 1\/5, 2\/7)
\n100. Cheyenne Mountain CO<\/strong> (NR) - Colorado 4A State sixth place; Southwest Open Champion (DNQ NXN); Returns 3\/5, 5\/7)","date_added":"Sep 1st 2014, 11:47pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":278367,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1111207":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1111207","comment_id":"1111207","member_id":"43715","comment":"

<\/a>agonyforest, on , said:<\/p>

\nhttp:\/\/www.prepcaltr...ed-by-the-meat\/<\/a>
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\nI know this takes a lot of work, but just saying some teams that aren't on here have beat teams in the top half already this season.
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\nPreseason rankings aren't perfect, you should expect some unranked teams to beat ranked teams. Palos Verdes got serious consideration, and it looks like Saugus was missing a runner (their projected #3 Ryan Tate). Plus, it's extremely early in the season... these rankings are based on what teams did at the END of XC season, and the progress shown during track. While Palos Verdes is, like Saugus, a team that tends to run well throughout the regular season and also during the championship season, an early season meet is still an early season meet.
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\r\nI know this takes a lot of work, but just saying some teams that aren't on here have beat teams in the top half already this season.","date_added":"Sep 1st 2014, 9:25pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":278367,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"agonyforest","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=67567","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/agonyforest.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1463195"},"1111180":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1111180","comment_id":"1111180","member_id":"43715","comment":"Also, I'll post summary details about the teams later today to give people more of a feel of where they are coming from (at least as far as Post season XC last fall)","date_added":"Sep 1st 2014, 9:21pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":278367,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1111174":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1111174","comment_id":"1111174","member_id":"43715","comment":"Preseason rankings are heavily tilted towards best marks<\/span> by each athlete over the last year (from State XC onward) rather than gut feeling or averaged performances or XC\/track only outlook.
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\nFor the national rankings, I do give some thought to a program's history of success at that level (NXN), but otherwise it's mostly these factors (in order of importance):
\n1. Within their region, who looks like they would come out on top if the top X teams raced?
\n2. Within their region, which would be the best teams in a national field (historical NXN scoring)?
\n3. Following their regional rankings, which team in the nation would be the best in a national field (historical NXN scoring)?
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\n(and within the region, the #3 factor I look at is how the team would fare if ALL the regional in my database were in the same race - a mass merge of the 70-110 teams I took a look at)
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\nAll that establishes my first draft with teams in their proper tiers. If two or more teams are really close, I'll consider moving them around (within that tier) if it feels right, but the vast majority of the time I just leave the teams in the order their returning times suggest.","date_added":"Sep 1st 2014, 8:49pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":278367,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1111135":{"pb_id":"50627","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1111135","comment_id":"1111135","member_id":"50627","comment":"Rob, I'm curious what you based your rankings on. Would love to hear how much weight was based on actual times run versus gut feeling of what teams are going to improve the most.
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\nI find this list quite motivating, thanks for taking the time to put it together.","date_added":"Sep 1st 2014, 8:37pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":278367,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"cerutty fan","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=50627","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=50627","pb_wally_id":"1212787"}},"last_id":"1111135","url":"comments.php?item_type=news&item_id=278367&item_url=gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44531"}